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	<title>Comments on: Government agency sued for its migration to Windows Vista</title>
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		<title>By: Montreal Tech Watch &#187; Requête en cours supérieure par FACIL contre le gouvernement du Québec</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-41684</link>
		<dc:creator>Montreal Tech Watch &#187; Requête en cours supérieure par FACIL contre le gouvernement du Québec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] est la suite du procès intenté par SavoirFaireLinux contre la Régie des Rentes du Québec l&#8217;hiver dernier, qui avait fait un appel d&#8217;offres &#8220;Windows Vista&#8221; pour remplacer son parc Windows [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] est la suite du procès intenté par SavoirFaireLinux contre la Régie des Rentes du Québec l&#8217;hiver dernier, qui avait fait un appel d&#8217;offres &#8220;Windows Vista&#8221; pour remplacer son parc Windows [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Grenier</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-21233</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Grenier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope that SFL loses this one. And I hope they get counter-sued for any cost and delay they cause. This is obviously nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Such decisions should not be based on bids and even less on court rulings. You can&#039;t just have complex organisations decide on a technological platform in that way.

The Regie is a megalithic financial institution just like a bank. This goes beyond politicians sharing documents and such. They are extremely dependant on their software and technological architecture.

The Regie might have countless of proprietary application developed for Windows, their whole network based on Windows, their security infrastructure, all their technical staff as Windows professionals, and all their office workers familiar with suites of Windows applications.
All of their email and calandering based on Outlook, and their mobile devices using Windows Mobile with active sync. Investment tracking, trading software, training programs, audit processes and policies, all their specialised employees and servicing contracts, everything would have to be thrashed, it would cost millions to replace. Switch to Linux? Are you F@#$@### crazy!!!!!

This decision should be taken internally by a technological architect that fully understands the needs of his organization and the implications of a switch. Obviously he might be a Windows professional and switching to a different platform would invalidate his role - he could find himself out of a job. So indeed there is a bias, but if the main tech guy, and every techy under him, are working under one technology, then they should be able to continue doing so and that would be in the best interest of the organisation. 

There are reasons why banks and finance institutions are not using bidding processes when it comes to designing their technological architecture:
First, going for the cheapest stuff is not always (if ever) the best choice, especially when it comes to software. 
Second, Microsoft, Oracle, Mac and such have billions of dollars in cash that can be pursued if they cause catastrophic failure of an organisation. An open source organisation, be it Ubuntu or else, has no liability to their software. 

And so on.

Bob, you are wrong when you say it does not matter if they win or lose. It sets a dangerous precedent that could threaten the stability of organisations. Insuring that stability is &quot;due diligence&quot; and it must be the responsibility of architects, not &quot;the cheapest bid gets everything else thrashed&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/ba7571090556461bc372f235c902b281?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></span>I really hope that SFL loses this one. And I hope they get counter-sued for any cost and delay they cause. This is obviously nothing more than a publicity stunt.</p>
<p>Such decisions should not be based on bids and even less on court rulings. You can&#8217;t just have complex organisations decide on a technological platform in that way.</p>
<p>The Regie is a megalithic financial institution just like a bank. This goes beyond politicians sharing documents and such. They are extremely dependant on their software and technological architecture.</p>
<p>The Regie might have countless of proprietary application developed for Windows, their whole network based on Windows, their security infrastructure, all their technical staff as Windows professionals, and all their office workers familiar with suites of Windows applications.<br />
All of their email and calandering based on Outlook, and their mobile devices using Windows Mobile with active sync. Investment tracking, trading software, training programs, audit processes and policies, all their specialised employees and servicing contracts, everything would have to be thrashed, it would cost millions to replace. Switch to Linux? Are you F@#$@### crazy!!!!!</p>
<p>This decision should be taken internally by a technological architect that fully understands the needs of his organization and the implications of a switch. Obviously he might be a Windows professional and switching to a different platform would invalidate his role &#8211; he could find himself out of a job. So indeed there is a bias, but if the main tech guy, and every techy under him, are working under one technology, then they should be able to continue doing so and that would be in the best interest of the organisation. </p>
<p>There are reasons why banks and finance institutions are not using bidding processes when it comes to designing their technological architecture:<br />
First, going for the cheapest stuff is not always (if ever) the best choice, especially when it comes to software.<br />
Second, Microsoft, Oracle, Mac and such have billions of dollars in cash that can be pursued if they cause catastrophic failure of an organisation. An open source organisation, be it Ubuntu or else, has no liability to their software. </p>
<p>And so on.</p>
<p>Bob, you are wrong when you say it does not matter if they win or lose. It sets a dangerous precedent that could threaten the stability of organisations. Insuring that stability is &#8220;due diligence&#8221; and it must be the responsibility of architects, not &#8220;the cheapest bid gets everything else thrashed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob in Toronto</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-20092</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob in Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else this action will force governments into doing &quot;due diligence&quot; and actually doing some research on what operating systems and software are &quot;out there&quot; to perform various government tasks.

It doesn&#039;t matter whether this action wins or loses...what matters is that someone has taken action...and others may do similar things in future.

No longer can governments simply &quot;buy Microsoft&quot; because &quot;that&#039;s what they&#039;ve always done&quot;.  They are going to have to do their homework and open up the bidding process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ae3d31a8f3fe970851c4b8c9f93c3d58?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></span>If nothing else this action will force governments into doing &#8220;due diligence&#8221; and actually doing some research on what operating systems and software are &#8220;out there&#8221; to perform various government tasks.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether this action wins or loses&#8230;what matters is that someone has taken action&#8230;and others may do similar things in future.</p>
<p>No longer can governments simply &#8220;buy Microsoft&#8221; because &#8220;that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ve always done&#8221;.  They are going to have to do their homework and open up the bidding process.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxime Haineault</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-19597</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxime Haineault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahah thanks, my English is still not perfect :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://haineault.com'><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/22ca9f33299474000aa6b2559ffcb053?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></a></span>ahah thanks, my English is still not perfect :D</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-19596</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>English press release is now available, see:
http://www.savoirfairelinux.com/english/news/articles/communique-de-presse-de-savoir-faire-linux/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6f4795b7379a474b071f1d8361aff485?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></span>English press release is now available, see:<br />
<a href="http://www.savoirfairelinux.com/english/news/articles/communique-de-presse-de-savoir-faire-linux/" rel="nofollow">http://www.savoirfairelinux.com/english/news/articles/communique-de-presse-de-savoir-faire-linux/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Heri</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-19595</link>
		<dc:creator>Heri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maxime, and Fagstein

ok you are right. mea culpa. you win.

and hey, Maxime, you mispelt weather in your last sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://heri.madmedia.ca'><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/76d226166e7f70ccb556f5bb043512aa?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></a></span>Maxime, and Fagstein</p>
<p>ok you are right. mea culpa. you win.</p>
<p>and hey, Maxime, you mispelt weather in your last sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxime Haineault</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-19579</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxime Haineault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is the first time in North America that a governement agency is sued for not using open source software.&quot;

Nice syllogism, your premise is wrong. 

Nobody&#039;s suing a government (you misspelled it btw) for &quot;not using open source software&quot;, you just can&#039;t do that, this is a laughable idea.

They are being sued for not issuing a call for bids, which they are legally obliged to do in Québec. That&#039;s a very different matter and a valid concern. 

Everybody that ever contracted for a Québec government agency at *any* level will tell you that.

In other words Savoir Faire Linux is doing the right thing to protect its &quot;equal&quot; right to propose its Operating System solutions to this government agency. 

It&#039;s the law, bottom line.

The only debatable gray zone in my opinion, is weather or not Vista can be seen as an &quot;upgrade&quot; or not and the court will decide that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://haineault.com'><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/22ca9f33299474000aa6b2559ffcb053?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></a></span>&#8220;This is the first time in North America that a governement agency is sued for not using open source software.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice syllogism, your premise is wrong. </p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s suing a government (you misspelled it btw) for &#8220;not using open source software&#8221;, you just can&#8217;t do that, this is a laughable idea.</p>
<p>They are being sued for not issuing a call for bids, which they are legally obliged to do in Québec. That&#8217;s a very different matter and a valid concern. </p>
<p>Everybody that ever contracted for a Québec government agency at *any* level will tell you that.</p>
<p>In other words Savoir Faire Linux is doing the right thing to protect its &#8220;equal&#8221; right to propose its Operating System solutions to this government agency. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the law, bottom line.</p>
<p>The only debatable gray zone in my opinion, is weather or not Vista can be seen as an &#8220;upgrade&#8221; or not and the court will decide that.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-19470</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful, SFL is not suing the government. Read the actual legal documents:
http://blogs.savoirfairelinux.net/cyrilleberaud/rrqda02481--.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6f4795b7379a474b071f1d8361aff485?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></span>Careful, SFL is not suing the government. Read the actual legal documents:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.savoirfairelinux.net/cyrilleberaud/rrqda02481--.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.savoirfairelinux.net/cyrilleberaud/rrqda02481&#8211;.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam SEO Montreal</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-19457</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam SEO Montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see that the government can&#039;t do what they want with our money everytime... and of course Open Source solutions are a better bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://www.samuellavoie.com'><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/e9d19720ee94ea69c5fde656bd054e94?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></a></span>Good to see that the government can&#8217;t do what they want with our money everytime&#8230; and of course Open Source solutions are a better bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Exutoire &#187; La régie des rentes poursuivie pour avoir choisi Windows Vista</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2008/03/15/government-agency-sued-for-its-migration-to-windows-vista/#comment-19443</link>
		<dc:creator>Exutoire &#187; La régie des rentes poursuivie pour avoir choisi Windows Vista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] La compagnie Savoir-faire Linux poursuit la régie en se basant sur le fait que de migrer de Windows 2000 vers Windows Vista ne constitue pas seulement une mise à jour mais un changement de système d&#8217;exploitation et qu&#8217;il devrait y avoir appel d&#8217;offre dans ce cas&#8230; Savoir-faire Linux utilise comme argument que les versions actuels de Linux seraient tout à fait capable de subvenir aux besoins de la régie et, en plus, celle-ci sauverait des millions de $$. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] La compagnie Savoir-faire Linux poursuit la régie en se basant sur le fait que de migrer de Windows 2000 vers Windows Vista ne constitue pas seulement une mise à jour mais un changement de système d&#8217;exploitation et qu&#8217;il devrait y avoir appel d&#8217;offre dans ce cas&#8230; Savoir-faire Linux utilise comme argument que les versions actuels de Linux seraient tout à fait capable de subvenir aux besoins de la régie et, en plus, celle-ci sauverait des millions de $$. [...]</p>
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