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	<title>Comments on: Pierre Karl Péladeau denounces Canadian Mobile Industry</title>
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		<title>By: Hughes</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-23519</link>
		<dc:creator>Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to the above post by Daniel (which was about 99%). High Speed packet access (HSPA) via VOIP is not a 4G technology, it is still considered 3G (or 3.5G depending on who you talk to) and it is part of the 3GPP spec for Release 4 and upto Rel 7. Only after Rel 8 and LTE do we see a complete transition towards VOIP and 4G. (not that anyone cares :P)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c3563118a50bccf36692e9a297abd7b8?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></span>Correction to the above post by Daniel (which was about 99%). High Speed packet access (HSPA) via VOIP is not a 4G technology, it is still considered 3G (or 3.5G depending on who you talk to) and it is part of the 3GPP spec for Release 4 and upto Rel 7. Only after Rel 8 and LTE do we see a complete transition towards VOIP and 4G. (not that anyone cares :P)</p>
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		<title>By: Garou</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-7733</link>
		<dc:creator>Garou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;3G: digital circuit switched voice + high speed packet data. In the GSM world, the technology used is CDMA2000, but the service is called UMTS.&quot;

CDMA2000 is used by Bell and Telus and is not UMTS... CDMA2000 is the standard we know commonly as CDMA whereas W-CDMA/UMTS is a separate standard and the continuation of the GSM standard (sometimes referred to as 3GSM in Europe).

Within 1xRTT networks, CDMA2000 is considered 2.5G whereas within EVDO networks it is considered as 3G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d06135b704f341a5eba0815f0d225fca?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></span>&#8220;3G: digital circuit switched voice + high speed packet data. In the GSM world, the technology used is CDMA2000, but the service is called UMTS.&#8221;</p>
<p>CDMA2000 is used by Bell and Telus and is not UMTS&#8230; CDMA2000 is the standard we know commonly as CDMA whereas W-CDMA/UMTS is a separate standard and the continuation of the GSM standard (sometimes referred to as 3GSM in Europe).</p>
<p>Within 1xRTT networks, CDMA2000 is considered 2.5G whereas within EVDO networks it is considered as 3G.</p>
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		<title>By: Videotron&#8217;s fight against the big 3 &#124; Montreal Tech Watch</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-2234</link>
		<dc:creator>Videotron&#8217;s fight against the big 3 &#124; Montreal Tech Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reported earlier this year, Pierre-Karl Peladeau and his group Videotron announced their intention to enter the mobile [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reported earlier this year, Pierre-Karl Peladeau and his group Videotron announced their intention to enter the mobile [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:7px; display:block; width:48px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://AhemiPhone?'><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/923d10bc97028030e8e67e7db62658d1?s=48&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fmontrealtechwatch.com%2Fimages%2Fsmall_gravatar.jpg%3Fs%3D48&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-48 photo' height='48' width='48' /></a></span>Just wondering!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris has several posts about this:&lt;br/&gt;http://www.bmannconsulting.com/taxonomy/term/83</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris has several posts about this:<br /><a href="http://www.bmannconsulting.com/taxonomy/term/83" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmannconsulting.com/taxonomy/term/83</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wireless data in Canada is ridiculously expensive:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;December 11, 2005:&lt;br/&gt;http://www.bmannconsulting.com/blog/bmann/wireless-data-in-canada-is-ridiculously-expensive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wireless data in Canada is ridiculously expensive:</p>
<p>December 11, 2005:<br /><a href="http://www.bmannconsulting.com/blog/bmann/wireless-data-in-canada-is-ridiculously-expensive" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmannconsulting.com/blog/bmann/wireless-data-in-canada-is-ridiculously-expensive</a></p>
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		<title>By: Heri</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Heri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi daniel&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;thanks for the comment!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i made an error with GSM which is in fact a 2G technology. sorry about that&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;however, i don&#039;t want to differentiate technologies with 2, 2.5, 2.75, 3 and 4G technology. i was talking about canada and the usage, which is actually phone calls and SMS. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;if Rogers and videotron goes to 3G, i believe it will create a disruption in the way canadians use their mobile phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi daniel</p>
<p>thanks for the comment!</p>
<p>i made an error with GSM which is in fact a 2G technology. sorry about that</p>
<p>however, i don&#8217;t want to differentiate technologies with 2, 2.5, 2.75, 3 and 4G technology. i was talking about canada and the usage, which is actually phone calls and SMS. </p>
<p>if Rogers and videotron goes to 3G, i believe it will create a disruption in the way canadians use their mobile phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://montrealtechwatch.com/2007/04/18/pierre-karl-peladeau-denounces-canadian-mobile-industry/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some clarifications on cellular terminology:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1G: analogue circuit switched voice, several standards.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2G: digital circuit switched voice; two dominant standards, GSM which has about 70% of the world market and is present in almost every country and CDMA with perhaps a 20-25% share of the global market and is concentrated in North America, South Korea and a few other places. Bell and Telus use CDMA, while Rogers/Fido use GSM.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2.5G: digital circuit switched voice + low speed packet data. An intermediate step (relatively low-cost upgrade) on the path to 3G. GPRS is the 2.5G upgrade to GSM and 1xRTT is the equivalent in the CDMA world. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2.75G: (yeah I know this is getting ridiculous) digital circuit switched voice + intermediate speed packet data. EDGE for the GSM folks and EVDO for the CDMA gang.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3G: digital circuit switched voice + high speed packet data. In the GSM world, the technology used is CDMA2000, but the service is called UMTS. In practice many people just use the term UMTS. In the CDMA world the 3G technology is EVDO revision A, B. 3G technology is widely deployed in the more industrialised Asian nations, in Europe and is being rolled out in North America.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4G: high speed packet data. Everything is an IP packet, even the voice call, so you are, in effect, using VoIP when making a call with a 4G system. No real deployments yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some clarifications on cellular terminology:</p>
<p>1G: analogue circuit switched voice, several standards.</p>
<p>2G: digital circuit switched voice; two dominant standards, GSM which has about 70% of the world market and is present in almost every country and CDMA with perhaps a 20-25% share of the global market and is concentrated in North America, South Korea and a few other places. Bell and Telus use CDMA, while Rogers/Fido use GSM.</p>
<p>2.5G: digital circuit switched voice + low speed packet data. An intermediate step (relatively low-cost upgrade) on the path to 3G. GPRS is the 2.5G upgrade to GSM and 1xRTT is the equivalent in the CDMA world. </p>
<p>2.75G: (yeah I know this is getting ridiculous) digital circuit switched voice + intermediate speed packet data. EDGE for the GSM folks and EVDO for the CDMA gang.</p>
<p>3G: digital circuit switched voice + high speed packet data. In the GSM world, the technology used is CDMA2000, but the service is called UMTS. In practice many people just use the term UMTS. In the CDMA world the 3G technology is EVDO revision A, B. 3G technology is widely deployed in the more industrialised Asian nations, in Europe and is being rolled out in North America.</p>
<p>4G: high speed packet data. Everything is an IP packet, even the voice call, so you are, in effect, using VoIP when making a call with a 4G system. No real deployments yet.</p>
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		<title>By: anotheralexwilliams</title>
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		<dc:creator>anotheralexwilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ohhh.. thanks for the clarification!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I obviously don&#039;t know nearly enough about these technologies.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s unfortunate that Quebecor will be spearheading this project though. They will surely find a way to screw us out of something good.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know I know... this can be argued for hours. It&#039;s just my opinion ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ohhh.. thanks for the clarification!</p>
<p>I obviously don&#8217;t know nearly enough about these technologies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that Quebecor will be spearheading this project though. They will surely find a way to screw us out of something good.</p>
<p>I know I know&#8230; this can be argued for hours. It&#8217;s just my opinion ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Heri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no&lt;br/&gt;GSM is 1st generation technology&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;GPRS and EVDO are 2 names for 2G networks. you can get the internet, and some pre-recorded videos with EVDO (think of Bell ads for instance)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;UMTS is 3rd Generation, which brings broadband internet (like you have at home) in your cell phone&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Currently, North America is at 2G, while Europe and Asia are at 3G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no<br />GSM is 1st generation technology</p>
<p>GPRS and EVDO are 2 names for 2G networks. you can get the internet, and some pre-recorded videos with EVDO (think of Bell ads for instance)</p>
<p>UMTS is 3rd Generation, which brings broadband internet (like you have at home) in your cell phone</p>
<p>Currently, North America is at 2G, while Europe and Asia are at 3G</p>
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